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 Post subject: It Lives
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:26 pm 
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Some of you may know that once upon a time I was a fighter pilot. 30+ years (and 30+ pounds) ago I was flying my first fighter, the F-4 Phantom. My assigned plane was 74-645. It was big and loud and ugly and it came with pretty much all the bells and whistles. I learned a lot about flying and pushing limits from the F-4.

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A series of events lately led me to discover that my old plane was still alive and working as a drone out of Holloman AFB in New Mexico. For some time now, the Air Force has been using F-4s as target drones in weapons evaluation testing. Sometimes they are sent out to be shot down, flown under remote control. Other times they are flown by pilots for "dry fire" testing. I was able to get in touch with the unit that flies them and made arrangements to go down and check in on it.

I got there in the morning, and the guy that runs the unit gave me a ride out to the flight line. The canopies were up and they were prepping it to go out and work with the Army on an air defence evaluation. I got to sit in the cockpit, have a photo op, and ask a ton of questions. Then I had to get out of the way so it could go out and do its job. A little later they gave me a ride over by the runway so I could experience the takeoff up close and personal once again. The sound and feel of J-79s at full fury never gets old. Then we went back to the hangar, I thanked them profusely, and it was over.

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Impressions? I was astonished at how intact the cockpit was. I figured that there would be numerous holes where unnecessary equipment had been removed. But there was very little missing. The radar screen and heads up display were gone, replaced by a box for activating the remote control equipment. Other than that, most of what I was used to seeing was still there. Even the KY-28, a piece of Vietnam era gizmosity for encrypting radio communications that never worked well, was little understood, and in my experience was never used, was in its usual place. As a result, I was surprised at how familiar it all felt after 30+ years. Things pretty much fell to hand about where I expected them to be. It really felt good to be there again. Could l have flown it? Not that day. But I don't think that it would take a lot of study to get back into the swing of things.

So the Jurassic Jet still lives but it won't for much longer. Sometime this fall they will all be retired, this time for good, and replaced by F-16s. I was told that there was a good deal of pressure to get them out to some air shows before that, and it could happen 4 or 5 times. So keep an eye out and if you get the chance, go see the Phantom fly one more time. Experience what you have known since you were a kid: real jets make real noise.

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 Post subject: Re: It Lives
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:34 pm 
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Great story and pictures!

Thanks for your service.


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 Post subject: Re: It Lives
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:33 pm 
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How cool! :thumbup: I was working out at Holloman when the F 15's showed up there, kinda changing of the guard from the F 4s. I was out by one of the runways, take off and landing were apples and oranges between the two......

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 Post subject: Re: It Lives
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:50 pm 
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Yeah, by the time I got there, the F-15 was King Kong, the F-16 was the new kid on the block, and the F-4 was second string. But as we used to say, you don't win wars by shooting them down 1 by 1 at 30000 feet... And I always felt lucky to have had opportunity to have flown it.

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 Post subject: Re: It Lives
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:58 pm 
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What a cool story Tom! Really enjoyed the history and pics of now and back in the day. I'll have to look for this jet at the Air Force Museum of Aviation which is about 10 miles from me in Warner Robins GA. Additionally, my wife is a civil service E.E. Supporting guidance and navigation on the jets at Robins AFB with a classified clearance. Great stuff!

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 Post subject: Re: It Lives
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:04 pm 
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I started out in the USAF in the 33rd OMS at Eglin AFB, FL crewing F4Es just like that one. My 1st airplane was 68-0449 and the last E model I crewed was 74-0116. The Phantom was a beast and brutal to work on. I still have scars that show from the fuel drains and the razor seals on the aux air doors. You are right Tom nothing in the world sounds like a J79 in after burner on a hot summer night as she claws her way into the sky... Glad you got to sit in the seat one more time....guys like you inspired me to go to engineer school and get me a pair.of wings...on a side note I was a phase dock chief for the 335th Fighter Squadron at Shady J in 88 and we phased out the Phantom and stood up the F15E Strike Eagle in your old stomping grounds there....
Stand by for a fighter pilot!!!

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 Post subject: Re: It Lives
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:24 pm 

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Cool! I love airplanes, used to fly Cessna's. No jets, just small planes. Lots of fun and scary sometimes.


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 Post subject: Re: It Lives
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:32 pm 
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I still like flying light planes when I can, but it doesn't happen much any more. Just not much fun to be had flying around the Washington DC area. Tim, as far as I can figure it, my plane went straight from the 335th to the boneyard, in 1990 i think. It looked to me like they must have had a half dozen old Chief's jets at Holloman now. Must have been the best of the last that they still had in the boneyard. Mine is a "manned flyer", which means it is still doing well. There are a number there on "death row" that will never fly manned again.

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 Post subject: Re: It Lives
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I enjoyed that story and the pics. I attempted to fly an F16 but it crashed before it left the ground. Totaled it completely. My son was not too happy as we just bought it. We tried putting duct tape on the nose and some crazy glue, but no luck. :lol:

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