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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:09 pm 
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I always tell people that their head should be left of center on a left turn and right of center on a right turn. It moves some weight to the inside; kind of forces you to look around the corner; is easier to push on the handlebar.

I have road raced for a long time and do not feel comfortable in the center of the bike in a turn.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:24 pm 

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Anybody remember just whom started the "hang off" riding style?

1972, Paul Smart, whom rode a bunch of bikes that didn't handle well, like the H2R. He told me it was the only way he could get one to go around a corner.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:22 pm 
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From my point of view, corners feel hugely better when I'm hanging off, and if my knee puck is on the pavement, I instantly feel much more in control. Up until that moment, I feel like I'm leaning a lot, but once it touches, everything calms down.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:00 am 
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H2RTuner wrote:
Anybody remember just whom started the "hang off" riding style?

1972, Paul Smart, whom rode a bunch of bikes that didn't handle well, like the H2R. He told me it was the only way he could get one to go around a corner.



In the late 60's I had an A7 that was stock. It was a little wiggly in the corners so I would hang off the inside and that calmed it down. I was just a kid riding the few paved roads in southeast Iowa.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:09 am 

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What we figured out with Paul's method was that it creates a new, completely different center point of lean gravity, in that the are is no longer a straight line interacting with the ground in lean angle, but, literally two lean gravity centers. It is like one main lean, enhanced with less lean on the chassis by adding a second gravity parameter.

Seems to have worked well for decades. The fairly new next parameter was/is Vale's leg "turn signal", everyone seems to be using it.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:41 pm 
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two-stroke-brit wrote:
Jim C wrote:
Jim wrote:
Before you laugh too hard, I refer you to the article "Body Postion, an Overview" in April's Cycle World, page 24. :)

http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-ri ... ride-craft


I can't find the example that I thought was way over the top but image 1852 is on a clear, dry road
https://killboy.photoreflect.com/store/ ... o=16&pc=78


i think you mean 1582

and Joe (BATTLEAXE) is the next guy featured on the kawi 400 :thumbup:


I think that 400 makes my butt look big.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:12 pm 
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That's why you never see chicks on them.

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