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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:18 am 
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husson73 wrote:
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If I were going to Nik-A-Syl a bore that had an iron or other sleeve in it, I'd make aluminum sleeves, replace the iron sleeves with the aluminum ones, then coat them. NOT easy to do, LOTS of work, but, works a lot better for heat transfer. Have done a few like that, with L.A. Sleeve special built sleeves.

Leo the flying dutch has fited alloy sleeves on one of his hybrids.



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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:55 am 

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When done correctly, the aluminum sleeves and Nik-A-Syl combo works the best of any I have used, and have proven to be the strongest combo of the lot, with a lot better temperature control.

I prefer the early high transfer cuts, and NOT having the thin cast iron extensions works much better in all the cylinders I have done. Where they excel is when a cylinder Reed valve is added, as I make a passage from the Reed box area into the transfer port tunnels.


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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:51 pm 
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rngdng wrote:
husson73 wrote:
H2RTuner wrote:

If I were going to Nik-A-Syl a bore that had an iron or other sleeve in it, I'd make aluminum sleeves, replace the iron sleeves with the aluminum ones, then coat them. NOT easy to do, LOTS of work, but, works a lot better for heat transfer. Have done a few like that, with L.A. Sleeve special built sleeves.

Leo the flying dutch has fited alloy sleeves on one of his hybrids.



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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:59 pm 

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Interesting.......when I spoke to Dave at LA sleeve........he said they only have one option.............spun steel sleeves.........Interesting on the Aluminum with Nikasil Coating.........have read on thet a bit...........with aluminum liners is good idea...........I suppose they build them up to get a good fit with your pistons........like .0028" with Wossners..........I guess the can only add up .001" with Nikasil plating (or chrome)

So Dav Ray.........are you saying they aluminum sleeves don't have the lower portion below the outer main finned cylinders........that slides into the crankcase ?

And the reed transfer port.........drilled from the intake to the transfer for a reed setup.........explain please

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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:41 pm 

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Who said L.A. Sleeve did aluminum sleeves for me? I build then for myself. I use L.A. Sleeve steel sleeves for most work for others, though. Yes, the aluminum sleeves have the skirts into the cases.

The added passage is a slot cut between the stud area and the sleeve, not through either, from the side area of the reed box, to the transfer ports. Equalizes the pressures and helps institute flow up the transfers sooner than making the mixture go down into the case, then back up the transfers.


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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:47 am 

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First gen have the transfer cut out way above where they need to be, and are prone to cracking. My personal last choice.


Exactly.........I am wanting to build a more hopped up top end.........like around around 100 HP........pretty well know what I want to do.........the late model cylinders cutaways can be raised a bit to match the Wossners..........and leave plenty of material (liner) between the inlet port and the cutaways........with the First Gen, there is very little metal there........they can and do crack........hate to spend a few grand and have a cylinder crack.........some racers say don't go any more than the 2nd bore oversize........maybe they use the same forging for a piston........they get a bit heavier when running a 790cc 6th size out..........than a stock size 71.5mm

Agreed, if it was a stock H2........the First Gen do make the most power (74 I beleive is what they claimed)............and the ports are oriented differently (more foward)..........those would be the ones to get :thumbup:

Moo did my current B\C cylinders..........stage 1..........I like them a lot and gonna leave them alone the way they are........pristine.....he raised the cutaways just enough to match the Wossners at BDC..........any more cutaway is kind of useless anyways..........as it's covered up by the piston skirt when needed the most..........at least with Wossners it is, I think Wisecos too, not sure about early H2 pistons ;)

THX Phil :thumbup:


Hi Phil.

I am not sure, but I think just looking at the piston cut-offs vs cylinder cut offs to match at bdc is a bit simplified.
This is because you get transfer flow from crankcase long before piston is at bdc, especially With good pipes With great suction. In fact, if good blowdown, the flow starts just after transfers open. At that time, Your piston cut out skirts are same distance from bottom as Your transfer port heights. That means, Your liner cut off should be at same Level as Your piston cut outs just after transfers opening.

At least, I believe that is one of the reasons I have a lot more than 100 rwhp in my H2. One must do everything that can be done to improve transfer flow on a H2 due to the very narrow ducts. (A 500 has a lot better transfer ducts area, much wider due to the smaller bore)
I am running the early square cylinders.

Just my opinion.......

(and the H2 liners With high square cut outs do not break as easy as the H1 liners)

Jørgen

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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:50 pm 

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Hi Phil.

I am not sure, but I think just looking at the piston cut-offs vs cylinder cut offs to match at bdc is a bit simplified.
This is because you get transfer flow from crankcase long before piston is at bdc, especially With good pipes With great suction. In fact, if good blowdown, the flow starts just after transfers open. At that time, Your piston cut out skirts are same distance from bottom as Your transfer port heights. That means, Your liner cut off should be at same Level as Your piston cut outs just after transfers opening.



Jorgen......that makes sense.......I suppose that would increase the flow a bit......and make the transfer tunnel somewhat shorter

Not much out there :(

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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:07 pm 

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Just where the mixture is aimed out the transfer port is extremely important.


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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:58 pm 
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I did a short vid.... :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjuhFRJZCj8

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 Post subject: Re: H2 Cylinders Wanted
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:18 am 

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How cool. Then we finally agreed on something, the piston/liner cut outs.

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