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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:12 am 
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Jim wrote:
They had an aluminum block without liners, and a cast iron head. The aluminum was a high silicon content alloy, and the surface of the cylinders was finished to expose the silicon particles and polish them. ..........


On the original first model Vega....

The aluminum cylinders were cabonized to impregnate the surface with carbon for a harden cylinder surface. Problem was the Aluminum molecules wore away faster than the carbon molecules and you were left with a jagged surface of carbon.

Otherwise known as "Vega Death !"
Required research in Engineering school back in the early 80's.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:59 am 
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I didn't have any of the oil burning, cylinder wearing problems. :roll:
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One time on the starting line at Sunshine Dragstrip! :oops: For some reason they tend to frown on dumping 90 weight all over the starting line. :e4 It was classic stupid, I got in the ditch and did a neutral drop at 4 grand. Big smoke, felt good and sounded great! :thumbup: Crowd loved it! :clap: So, I thought to myself, I'll do exactly the same on green, it'll launch like a rocket! :problem: Of course reality set in when those now sticky tires catch on the dry slab... BAM! :banghead Spider gears shattered into a dozen pieces and both axles spit outward about 4 inches! :e9 My favorite part, I was still staged! :lol: didn't move an inch! :crazy: Good thing I had a parts car! :e11
When it did hold together it did a best time of 8.49 in the 1/8th. :thumbup: I never could afford to put a proper narrowed rear end in it, but after I got rid of it I learned that a Maverick rear end (8 inch Ford, plenty tough) is exactly the same 49 1/2" backing plate to backing plate as the Vega and would take minimal work for a good welder to fit. Live and learn... sometimes too late. :wtf:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:14 am 
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Rick, I don't remember reading about carbon in Vega cylinders. My '74 manual explains the same 390 high-silicon aluminum that's in the quote below, and I believe that was the process that was used from the start. If the cylinders were bored without the polishing process, I would think it would lead to what you described, with sharp pieces of silicon causing excessive ring wear. The quote below mentions extreme cylinder bore wear, but mine had over 50,000 miles on it when I took off the head to see why it was burning oil. I found bad scoring from overheating, but essentially no cylinder wear. You couldn't even feel a ridge at the top of the ring path. Also, I had a timing belt break, and there was no valve interference.

From http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0408phr_worst_automobile_engines/viewall.html
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Chevrolet Vega 2300
Another case of too much too soon, the all-aluminum little Chevy was just too different for the public. In the late 1950s, GM Research Laboratories conceived an idea that a high-silicon aluminum alloy could form a hard wear surface for a cylinder bore. Working in conjunction with the Reynolds Metals Company, the material was classified as 390 die-castable hypereutectic aluminum alloy. It promised to allow the construction of an aluminum engine block without steel cylinder liners or impregnated coatings or material to prevent wear. The Vega program code-named XP-887 was announced to the public in October 1968. It was billed as a new engine for a new type of vehicle. GM research data concluded that the engine should be of an OHC design and use a carburetor similar to other Chevrolet products.

Filled with promise when put into the hands of the public, the engine suffered many issues. Overheating and the resulting warpage of the aluminum castings were common along with extreme cylinder-bore wear. Also, rubber timing belt technology was not up to standards and premature belt failure along with bent valves were common. The head gasket did not get along with the then-current anti-freeze formulations that were for cast iron engines and became a service item much like spark plugs.

The little Chevy engine never matched the reliability of the competing Ford Pinto and was replaced by a version of the 1962 Pontiac four-cylinder renamed the "Iron Duke." For 1976, the car featured a 60,000-mile warranty to try and erase the stigma of poor quality attached to the Vega.

It appeared that the Chevy designers had reservations about the 2300 since they unofficially made the engine compartment accept a traditional small-block V-8 with little fuss, making it a great enthusiast car.


Cool Vega, Threepipes.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:54 pm 
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I know Ive seen one floating around here with a V8 in it. :think:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:15 pm 

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It's Vega death Jim. Not a simpo fix. You speak much to highly of the Veg. :lol:


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