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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:34 pm 
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Far as I know, hasn't been done before..

Got a zeeltronic box to work successfully on my S2 with H1 CDI. (this is the later H1 CDI with the '2' pickups'. Thanks to John at Economy and Borut from Zeeltronic.
This means it will also work on a regular h1 with this same ignition. for the triple guys, i think this is huge. Only real thing i had to change was in the program witch is shown in the video. I also added a 470 ohm resistor to the pickup which i got from john. works without it but def crisper with it.
Got box from http://www.economycycle.com
side note: the starting was my fault as i was trying to do it by hand and was kicking over too slow as i was holding the camera. :oops: :wave:

http://youtu.be/XqX27534dME


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:16 am 
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You da Man. :D :D

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:26 am 
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That is just too cool.. Nice to see the timing retard at the higher revs. 8-)

Mark... explain what you had to "change in the program"...

Could this cdi be set up to work with the 3-pickup H1d/H2 type ignition?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:47 am 
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A customer of mine did it for an H2, Cody. If you like, I can put you guys in touch. I think Borut had to make some changed to his system to make it work.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:49 am 
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he makes one like that, but it takes 2 boxes. and is fairly expensive but super nice. http://www.zeeltronic.com/page/kawasaki.php

Economy cycle is the importer.

i had to change the compensation value, its in the video as i scroll through the screen.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:14 am 
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Congrats; a very impressive accomplishment

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:42 am 
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m in sc wrote:

i had to change the compensation value, its in the video as i scroll through the screen.


I don't even know what that means.... :oops:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:55 pm 
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Ts super easy. Will take pics later detailing it. 4 wire hookup too.!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:45 pm 
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Nice work Mark.

Hope all you guys are doing good! Just wanted to jump in here and throw myself a shameless plug.
I still make new replacement CDI units for all H2 models and the 73-76 H1. I have a prototype box for the early H1s but I've never been able to get the spark timing right. Maybe someday!

Hoping to see you guys at the GAP next spring for the two stroke rally. The last couple years the dates haven't lined up for me, but my H2 wheelie bike still runs good!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:52 pm 
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Interesting thread.

I've been importing the Zeeltronic line and using and selling the units for the twin cylinder Yamaha. Found them reliable and easy to use and they passed rough duty road racing with flying colors.

Since I started road racing 9 nine years ago I have used the Dyna system that was originally built for the H2 but has not been available for a long time. I have 2 complete systems plus some spares and they have worked well for me but 9 years of road racing is hard duty and a failure in the near future is probably inevitable. Asked Borut about his triples specific systems recently and he told me he had just built a new 3 channel system integrated into one box but did not have and H2 to test it on. So I had him send a few over and spent last weekend installing and testing the system on my race H2. I started with stock H2 coils and pickups and got the system up and running fairly easily. Only ran into one minor issue. Zeeltronic systems are designed so you input the maximum number of degrees mechanically available for timing advance. This is done by physically measuring the number of degrees of crank rotation from the pickup trigger point to TDC. This is abnormally small on the H2 compared to a typical Yamaha twin which is about 34 degrees. I was able to achieve 24 degrees maximum but it required the pickup timing plate and the pickups to be rotated clockwise to their maximum adjustment range to achieve that. Seemed odd so I reread the section of the H series shop manual on the ignition and remembered that most of the timing curve was in the thyristor and how quickly it reacted to the trigger at different rpms which jives with what I found.

That being said this should still work well with the H2 and the other triples this system can be used with (H1D, KH400, S3). On my race H2 I run a relatively flat curve that never exceeds 22 degrees and with the quality of today's gas that should be more than enough for a stock triple. The single box system is $350 and will fit the same space as the stock gold boxes. Plug and play with the stock coils and pickups with many nice modern features such as tach, quick shifter, shift light and power jet outputs as well as a 3 stage rev limiter. You can program 2 timing curves into the unit that can be modified while the engine is running. You can also switch back and forth between the 2 curves while riding with a push button input.

Also nice is the fact the system does not use the Kawi high or low speed coils so if you have a stator where those are not functional it can still be used.

Next step will be to install this system on a street H2 and H1 to confirm it works well with regular gas and standard Kawi wiring harnesses which I'll do shortly. Don't expect any problems with that.

You can check it out here if you're interested: http://tinyurl.com/jwz8tt9

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