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 Post subject: Re: H2 carb synching
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:33 pm 
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jason8887 wrote:
The method I have been using has been to use vacuum gages (similar to merc sticks) to set the throttle position. I added holes in the carbs for screw-in air fittings, on the engine side of the slide. I have never had any luck setting the air or fuel mix screws using them, but I probably did it wrong. Can anyone offer any advice for doing this?
With the engine at idle rpm you should be able to see a peak with air screw adjustment. It must be adjusted slowly. The carb being adjusted must have the idle screw set so it is the cylinder controlling rpm. If the wrong size pilot jets are installed you will not see a peak... best to use stock pilot recommendation.

Also, just so I am sure I am doing i right:

I am to adjust the air mix screws with the slides in their fully lowered position
-I definately can't get the bike to idle in this condition. Am I supposed to obtain an idle by screwing in the idle screw on whichever carb I am trying to adjust, leaving the other two backed out?
-Adjust mix screws to obtain highest possible rpm
Set the idle stop screws so you have a good idle before adjusting air screws. You can use tach or vacuum gauge to find the peak setting of air screws. Set the idle screw on the carb being adjusted to be the "pulling" cyl. Yes, highest rpm is what you are looking for.

Once air mix screws are adjusted, now I set the idle screws on each carb. If I am using my vacuum gages I should be trying to achieve the same amount of vacuum on each carb
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Once the idle screws are set, I should adjust for desired idle
That is what you did in the prior step. However, you can readjust by turning all idle screws the same amount. As long as they are close, that is good.

Now I get to set the cable adjusters on the carbs with the engine running at about 3000 rpm, using the vacuum gages. I assume I am again trying to get each vaccum reading to be the same. I also assume that I want to adjust by 'making the cable longer', not shorter (If I go shorter it seems like the cable could end up lifting the slide off the idle screw, right?)
It makes no difference if you lengthen or shorten... they need to end up being the same. Once completed, be sure the slides all clear the carb throat at WOT.

On a side note to this: I currently have Fast-By-Gast chambers on my engine with individual K&N style filters, a 105 main jet (stock) with the needle in the 3rd notch. The FBG instructions indicate that I should have a 112.5 main jet instead of the stock 105, and that the niddle clip should be in the second to bottom position, essentially raising the needle up. Anybody have any feel for this? What are other guys running?
105s are probably stoo small at sea level.

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 Post subject: Re: H2 carb synching
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:05 pm 

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mraxl:
Thanks for the replies, I'll try them out

does anyone know how many inches of mercury they are seeing when using a vacuum gage? I'm seeing around 4" on my gages... Seems low, but I don't have a lot of experience with them on 2 strokes

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 Post subject: Re: H2 carb synching
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:10 pm 
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Step back and think about what you are trying to achieve....

- the air screw provides the proper air/fuel mixture at 1000-2500 rpm, or thereabout. It determines ease of starting and takeoff. It controls rpm & vacuum at low rpm settings.

- Idle screw adjustment (sync) is to get all three cyls pulling the same when throttle is closed.

- Off idle sync (2500-3000 rpm) is to align slides at equal position at off idle. That is the most important part of syncing.

The air screw setting affects not only idle but also other throttle positions at lessening a degree as throttle is opened so it needs to be adjusted first.

No matter if vacuum gauges or mechanical methods are used... the objective is the same.
If you use the mechanical method of setting slide position, the air screw setting is of no consequence. If using vacuum gauge, changing air screw setting after sync will alter vacuum readings at off idle so sync will no longer be accurate.

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 Post subject: Re: H2 carb synching
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:09 pm 

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What I have always found with the air screws is, factory setting is the right setting, and if the mix is wrong, vary the jet. And, that all the screws should be set the same, if it is 1 turn, all should end up 1 turn, 1-1/2 turn, 1-1/2 turn.

Also, what I find with multiple vacuum gauges like the original factory setups used, they might read all the same, at, say, 12 in/hg vacuum, but, after that, no dice. A check should be made of all vacuum gauges in a set, off ONE carb, with ONE vacuum feed to all 3 gauges at the same time, connect them with vacuum T fittings, and read at multiple throttle settings for accuracy.

A mercury manometer won't have a lot of lift in the columns on a two stroke, but, about/near 2 bars above the reservoir should be seen. The main thing is to get all the columns aligned same, same.

When I set the carb synch, I take the bike out and flog it to get it cleaned out, and up to operating temperature. Then, I shut the engine down, and put the bike straight up, and with the front wheel centered in the middle of its turn radius. Then, I do the open synch first, using the throttle cable adjuster at the twist grip to raise the slides to attain 2,500 rpms, and set the carb cable adjusters for synch.

Then, I return the cable adjuster at the twist grip down to idle speed, and the slides back against their stop screws, and adjust the idle synch.

I then shut the engine down, and set the full open oil pump setting, to the last dot (wide open throttle setting dot) on the cable puller, to the line on the pump post. I do not set the oil pump by the idle line on the cable pull, that will give way too much oil to the engine.


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 Post subject: Re: H2 carb synching
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:44 pm 

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Okay, got the bike running pretty good! I used H2RTuner's suggestions and it seems to have helped out a lot. Couple that with a thorough re-cleaning of the carbs and everything seems to be working.

I have two final issues to solve now:

When cruisng at about 25 mph in second gear, steady throttle the bike sounds like one of the cylinders is 'flat'. Curious what part of the carb circuit I should be focusing on? Other possible culprits: I have my main jet needles raised one clip and my right cylinder expansion chamber has some pretty good dents in the chamber

Second issue:
My throttle slides keep sticking! It's only one at a time, but it is a bit unnerving when you left off the throttle and one cylinder wants to keep pulling. I have pulled them out and cleaned them with carb cleaner (walmart Tech2000 stuff) but they still seem to hang up. Any tricks out there for lubing them?

Thanks for all the help guys

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 Post subject: Re: H2 carb synching
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:53 pm 
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jason8887 wrote:
Okay, got the bike running pretty good! I used H2RTuner's suggestions and it seems to have helped out a lot. Couple that with a thorough re-cleaning of the carbs and everything seems to be working.

I have two final issues to solve now:

When cruisng at about 25 mph in second gear, steady throttle the bike sounds like one of the cylinders is 'flat'. Curious what part of the carb circuit I should be focusing on? Other possible culprits: I have my main jet needles raised one clip and my right cylinder expansion chamber has some pretty good dents in the chamber
Carb circuits are defined by throttle position.
Dents in chambers is not usually a problem but it depends on where & how big.


Second issue:
My throttle slides keep sticking! It's only one at a time, but it is a bit unnerving when you left off the throttle and one cylinder wants to keep pulling. I have pulled them out and cleaned them with carb cleaner (walmart Tech2000 stuff) but they still seem to hang up. Any tricks out there for lubing them?
Try extra fine crocus cloth or sandpaper in the carb slide bore.

Thanks for all the help guys

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 Post subject: Re: H2 carb synching
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:12 pm 
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Check the slides with out the cables, it is usually the cables. And a chamber has to be almost smashed flat to really effect performance.

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 Post subject: Re: H2 carb synching
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:16 pm 
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Ja-Moo wrote:
And a chamber has to be almost smashed flat to really effect performance.

Oh wow... a bunch of what I thought were "factory seconds" chambers can be sold at full price!

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